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  • kris02420
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    @fastmike51 wrote:

    All our members are aware that there is there isn’t and never will be a great solution to the Chickkee and Umbrella shortage. Land is at a premium and we don’t have enough room to install more. So no matter what fix you apply today or tomorrow a true fix will never be found. So maybe the answer is thinking outside the box.

    1. The space in front of Ricardo’s, can it be used during the day when the restaurant doesn’t do dinner or have a special event?

    2. Are all the Beaches in Aruba owned by the government?

    3. Are all the umbrellas installed illegally on the beaches?

    4. Locals and tourists can simply walk up and remove the chairs and use the umbrella or chickkee as allowed by Aruban law, is this correct?

    I offer these suggestions and would like to see the BOD discuss these suggestions at the next BOD meeting. Please record the discussion on these topics in the minutes.

    Suggestion 1. Buy beach tents that can be rented to members at a small cost and let them be used in front of Ricardo’s before dinner starts and not during special events. I have looked into top of the line tents and they are $70. They go up and down in thirty seconds

    Suggestion 2. Stop the current beach policy. Hire an employee who’s only job is to rent and stack chairs everyday. Institute a new policy where the club rents beach chair for $5 per day and only on a daily basis. The chairs would be stacked at night and started to be rented at 6:00am everyday. The money taken in from the rentals would be used for the purchase of new chair, maintenance if chickees, palapas and beach tents, Just and example: If we currently have 100 chairs, multiply that by $5 = 500 per day. Multiply that by 365 days = $182.500. If you removed this amount of money it would decrease our budget, bring in additional income and “Give Everyone” a fair shot at the chair. This policy would instantly cure the beach problem.

    Suggestion 3. Along with the beach chair rental offer a drink at Ricardo’s for $5. If they purchase it they get a ticket that can be redeemed at the bar all day long. So if you sold 100 tickets a day X $5 = $500 X 365 days that amounts to $182, 500. Just think that if they buy their tickets in the morning and simply got to the bar, drop the ticket and order a drink every time someone goes to lunch or to the bathroom how much money this would make to reduce our budget.

    In conclusion, to the BOD, please post your thoughts here and let us know if you will put this on the April Agenda. Additionally please post here what the way you can get these Items put on the convocation for the members to vote on it next year if you won’t consider it.

    Has anyone seen FastMike51 😆 😆 🙄 🙄

    kris02420
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    @Kandy wrote:

    @kris02420 wrote:

    If some of you want to get into a cat fight with the BOD have at it. Kandy has responded in a timely fashion with what I have asked . The only thing I m confused about now is, Ricardo’s put an addition (outside deck) and attached it to the original structure “which by the way if you remember was built on the public beach to start off with” extending it out onto even more of existing public beach. Is that addition government owned and public for anyone to use if chickees fall into that? Is there a property line for ABC to separate private property from public beach ? Is the whole restaurant on public beach ?

    Sorry for the delay but I am trying to enjoy the last few days on my ABCR vacation.
    The kitchen area of the restaurant, now known as Ricardo’s, is located on property owned by Aruba Beach Club Resort, the dining area and the deck are not. ABCR paid to have the outside deck extension built at Ricardo’s and was issued a permit for this structure by the government. The lease we have with Ricardo’s includes that they reimburse ABCR for taxes and government fees imposed on us.
    Yes, there is a property line which separates the resort from the public beach. The government breaks down the allotted space for the beach starting with the waters edge and allowing so many meters for foot traffic, etc.
    I hope this answers the questions you had.

    I might add that at 7:15 this morning I strolled around and there were 8 available huts at the pool, 9 available umbrellas on the beach and 15 available huts on the beach which included 2 handicap spots one open at each end.

    Kandy thank you very much ,Kris “enjoy those last few :D“

    kris02420
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    @arubalou wrote:

    @kris02420 wrote:

    If some of you want to get into a cat fight with the BOD have at it. Kandy has responded in a timely fashion with what I have asked . The only thing I m confused about now is, Ricardo’s put an addition (outside deck) and attached it to the original structure “which by the way if you remember was built on the public beach to start off with” extending it out onto even more of existing public beach. Is that addition government owned and public for anyone to use if chickees fall into that? Is there a property line for ABC to separate private property from public beach ? Is the whole restaurant on public beach ?

    It has nothing to do with with a “cat fight”. It has everything to do with what is right for all the owners of the club. Don’t be bullied by anyone. Stand up for your rights. If anyone on the BOD or the management doesn’t like what I have to say,so be it. I am only trying to get back to the way it was for years. Give us some room to enjoy the beach. Thats it !!

    Arubalou , we’re not quite sure what you mean , “If anyone on the BOD or the management doesn’t like what I have to say,so be it” They (BOD or Management ) as far as we can see haven’t responded to anything you have written yet so we’re kinda confused as to what they don’t like ???? Could you elaborate a little more for us? 🙄

    kris02420
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    If some of you want to get into a cat fight with the BOD have at it. Kandy has responded in a timely fashion with what I have asked . The only thing I m confused about now is, Ricardo’s put an addition (outside deck) and attached it to the original structure “which by the way if you remember was built on the public beach to start off with” extending it out onto even more of existing public beach. Is that addition government owned and public for anyone to use if chickees fall into that? Is there a property line for ABC to separate private property from public beach ? Is the whole restaurant on public beach ?
    kris02420
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    @Kandy wrote:

    One correction kris02420, the tables attached to the huts can be used by the public, just not the chairs and lounges which are ABC property. Once a permanent structure is erected on the beach it is owned by the government. They will either leave them there as they have done our huts for years, or tear them down as they did a structure next door several years ago. ABC pays a percario (tax) to the government.

    I have no knowledge of any agreement being made between Ricardo’s and ABC about huts not being placed in front of the restaurant. However this is noted from the most recent posting on here of the minutes from the January 2019 Board meeting…..
    “Discussion continued about the beach being public, and although ABC pays a beach tax and members of the general public could place private umbrellas there, it could become a common area for people to continue doing this and set a precedent which could snowball inviting local people to start coming in and causing further disruption with loud music, pets, coolers and create an element that would be difficult to get rid of once established.
    Since Ricardo’s pays ABC rent according to their sales, impeding the view that many people enjoy during breakfast, lunch and dinner could be a detriment to the business. Ricardo’s possibly has plans in the future to have umbrellas on their deck for dining making it an even more desirable location. ABC counts on this revenue which helps keep the maintenance fee down.”

    Thanks Kandy for your quick response we all learned something !!! One other quick question which I m confused about if we put a Chickkee up on the beach the government owns it , Ricardo’s put up an addition on the beach extending his restaurant who owns that ? What’s difference between Chickkee and restaurant extension on public each ?

    kris02420
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    @arubalou wrote:

    Now that the government of Aruba will be taking ownership of the chickee huts on the beach,which they always did have that right, I need to ask a question: If our members are able to ask the government to make the ABC place the huts back in the area in front on the restaurant so we are able to have more space to enjoy the beach. I still don’t know how the owner of the restaurant was able to do this. To have something like this done just for the benefit of a business and not caring about the members of the ABC and any inconvenience to all the members is a shame! Let us try to get that area back so the huts are not so close to each other. Please reply with feedback and suggestions. I do hope this request is not deleted for this website. The reason for this is because I posted it on the ABC owners group on Facebook. It was up for awhile and had 22 remarks. Then one of Kandys helpers (Marie) posted that she will use her powers and stop the conversation. That is one way of stopping feedback that some people don’t want to go on. BOD members like to bully people in my opinion and I will stand up for what I think is right!! I like to know whats going on with the ABC,and I know other people also would. If you are unhappy with the BOD.let them know by voting them out. In other words just say”YOUR FIRED” ! Thank you, Lou..

    I think Kandy has answered this !!! You or any member/or non member can put up a chickee /umbrella or what ever you want to call it in the open space in front of Ricardo’s to use. Where did you get your info that the government has taken over ownership of the chickees ??? Its my understanding from what’s posted on here if a “non” member/owner/guest came onto the beach to use a chickee they would not be able to use ABC property “chairs, lounges table etc.” to put under them. Are they going to sit on the sand with towels ? Its a moot point no one is going to do it. That being said I have no idea what type of agreement that’s been made with Ricardo’s if in fact any ? But in view of what there putting up now the umbrellas and after the last few years of loosing so many chickees I doubt you’ll ever see permanent chickees rebuilt and put up again to replace the damaged or destroyed ones on that side of the beach. The last two storms to wack us has cost ABC thousands of dollars in chickees. I m sure Kandy or any other BOD could tell you more.

    kris02420
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    @Kandy wrote:

    Correct, as members you can use the chairs and lounges and yes, people can put their own umbrellas in front of Ricardo’s and any place else on a public beach here in Aruba. Keep in mind the wind here is strong and I just watched for about 45 minutes two ladies trying to get a canopy up in front of Ricardo’s. I posted a video of it on the FB page before my phone went dead.

    As usual thank you for answer, Kris

    kris02420
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    @Kandy wrote:

    Kris, all beaches in Aruba are public and anyone can use them however the chairs and lounges belong to the resorts. If someone comes to use the beach they need to bring their own chairs or sit on their towels or blanket.

    After the surge when the huts were knocked down and before the umbrellas were purchased, owners were bringing their own umbrellas/tents but there really isn’t any need right now. I am here going into my 5th week and this morning was the very first day that there were not several huts/umbrellas available at 9am. It is now 1pm and I am seeing 4 huts available where people that were here earlier have left.

    So the answer is yes, it is allowed but if there is a hut/umbrella available there is no need to bring your own but you can if you want to.

    ABC will not be placing umbrellas in front of Ricardo’s because they simply don’t have the staff to set them up in the morning and take them down in the evening and no place to store them if they did.

    Thanks Kandy for your response. Like I said friends are just back and enjoyed the new umbrellas and like you said really had no issue getting a chickee / umbrella or other wise. Without getting into the rest of the responses/questions here my only question was/is if we had our own umbrella which some members buy we would have no issue of putting them in the sand in front or Ricardo’s and removing them later in the day at a set time so as not to bust Ricardo’s chops or is that even an issue seeing as you said all beaches are public. I m also sure as members we could use ABC chairs and lounges under these umbrellas correct ????

    kris02420
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    If anyone has an answer about allowing members or registered quests including from the BOD to pitch an umbrella in the sand in front of Ricardo’s which would open beach space for about 15 to 20 more chickees/umbrellas please feel free to answer. We’ve heard directly from friends who have just come back and they enjoyed the usage of the new beach umbrellas but I guess like all of us are dumbfounded as to why portable umbrellas can’t be used in front of Ricardo’s, during the day at least !!!!!!! or can they ????? If ABC allowed that in contract with restaurant to not put up permanent chickees is one thing which would be a whole other argument, but why not portable ones which can or have to be removed by a certain time if need be? Kandy or any BOD member we know you monitor this site, if you don’t know the answer could you please find it out for us . Much appreciated Kris
    kris02420
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    My only question is as a public beach and if not using any ABC property ( chairs , lounges, umbrellas, or anything owned by ABC ) can we pitch our own umbrellas on the beach in the sand whether in front of Ricardo’s or anywhere else on the beach. I know when the beach was wiped out from storms the last few years members or guests did exactly that with umbrellas they bought and seeing we are owners used what’s ours . What’s stopping or preventing anyone from doing that now in front of Ricardo’s .????
    kris02420
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    @fastmike51 wrote:

    All our members are aware that there is there isn’t and never will be a great solution to the Chickkee and Umbrella shortage. Land is at a premium and we don’t have enough room to install mre. So no matter what fix you apply today or tomorrow a true fix will never be found. So maybe the answer is thinking outside the box.

    1. The space in front of Ricardo’s, can it be used during the day when the restaurant doesn’t do dinner or have a special event?

    2. Are all the Beaches in Aruba owned by the government?

    3. Are all the umbrellas installed illegally on the beaches?

    4. Locals and tourists can simply walk up and remove the chairs and use the umbrella or chickkee as allowed by Aruban law, is this correct?

    I offer these suggestions and would like to see the BOD discuss these suggestions at the next BOD meeting. Please record the discussion on these topics in the minutes.

    Suggestion 1. Buy beach tents that can be rented to members at a small cost and let them be used in front of Ricardo’s before dinner starts and not during special events. I have looked into top of the line tents and they are $70. They go up and down in thirty seconds

    Suggestion 2. Stop the current beach policy. Hire an employee who’s only job is to rent and stack chairs everyday. Institute a new policy where the club rents beach chair for $5 per day and only on a daily basis. The chairs would be stacked at night and started to be rented at 6:00am everyday. The money taken in from the rentals would be used for the purchase of new chair, maintenance if chickees, palapas and beach tents, Just and example: If we currently have 100 chairs, multiply that by $5 = 500 per day. Multiply that by 365 days = $182.500. If you removed this amount of money it would decrease our budget, bring in additional income and “Give Everyone” a fair shot at the chair. This policy would instantly cure the beach problem.

    Suggestion 3. Along with the beach chair rental offer a drink at Ricardo’s for $5. If they purchase it they get a ticket that can be redeemed at the bar all day long. So if you sold 100 tickets a day X $5 = $500 X 365 days that amounts to $182, 500. Just think that if they buy their tickets in the morning and simply got to the bar, drop the ticket and order a drink every time someone goes to lunch or to the bathroom how much money this would make to reduce our budget.

    In conclusion, to the BOD, please post your thoughts here and let us know if you will put this on the April Agenda. Additionally please post here what the way you can get these Items put on the convocation for the members to vote on it next year if you won’t consider it.

    Reading your last post (Jan 16,2019) on the rules regarding the beach and palapas use, it was answered on Jan.31 by Kandy. I’m also sure I can speak for most members/owners I’m not really interested in spending a daily fee $5. for a chair rental ,or umbrella rentals, or looking to hire a extra person to stack them, we have them employed now and they do a great job as well as being friends over the years . That’s what we pay maintenance fees for or has that slipped your mind ? That being said the only thing I agree with you on is the usage of beach in front of Ricardo’s . Its prime beach space at ABC and owners should be allowed to use it or at the very least be able to put up a portable umbrella. If you’ve ever been on the beach near the restaurant hardly anyone is eating there during the day except for a few. When you present your next bunch of ideas and questions on here to BOD ask if members can stake their own umbrella in the sand in front of Ricardo’s during the day when most of us are on the beach. 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄

    kris02420
    Participant
    @Kandy wrote:

    I am a member of the ABC Board of Directors so what I am stating isn’t a rumor. Ricardo’s is owned by a company called Lunabiento F&B Service VBA DBA formed by Ricardo, his sister Anky and her husband Harold.
    Anky and Harold also own and manage another restaurant here in Aruba called “Sweet Peppers”. Ricardo and his wife July own and manage another restaurant here in Aruba called “Oak”.

    Lunabiento F&B Service VBA DBA recently renewed their lease with ABC for another 5 years. Ricardo has handed over the day to day management of the restaurant to his sister Anky so that he could concentrate more on the management and operation of his new restaurant Oak. As for Ricardo’s staff as far as we know they have all remained the same.

    Thank you very much Kandy

    kris02420
    Participant
    @Kandy wrote:

    LOL….nothing changed, the beach and pool rules will remain the same for now.

    LOL Thank you

    kris02420
    Participant
    @Kandy wrote:

    @kris02420 wrote:

    @Shoco wrote:

    It was already on the BOD agenda BEFORE fastmike51 made his proposal is the way I read teamboston911’s reply.

    well ok then 😆 I’d ask again what its about but won’t. I m sure we’ll find out sometime in the near future what its about. GO PATS

    Kris…the topic is reserving huts. The present system was working fine but some members are asking that the rules be revisited. At least that is the way I am understanding it so it should be on the agenda. I’ve just arrived and haven’t opened my agenda package but I will look as soon as I get unpacked.

    Any news Kandy that you can share with us on this top secret post LOL ?

    kris02420
    Participant
    @Shoco wrote:

    It was already on the BOD agenda BEFORE fastmike51 made his proposal is the way I read teamboston911’s reply.

    well ok then 😆 I’d ask again what its about but won’t. I m sure we’ll find out sometime in the near future what its about. GO PATS

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